{"id":776,"date":"2008-11-02T09:25:26","date_gmt":"2008-11-02T01:25:26","guid":{"rendered":"http:\/\/www.nargalzius.com\/blog2\/http:\/www.nargalzius.com\/blog2\/archives\/2008\/11\/2008_11_02_0925.php"},"modified":"2008-11-02T09:25:26","modified_gmt":"2008-11-02T01:25:26","slug":"proposition-8","status":"publish","type":"post","link":"http:\/\/nargalzius.com\/blog\/archives\/2008\/11\/02\/proposition-8","title":{"rendered":"Proposition 8"},"content":{"rendered":"<p>Hey, it was bound to come up in this blog right? Hahahaha!<\/p>\n<p>So <a href=\"http:\/\/en.wikipedia.org\/wiki\/Proposition_8\" title=\"What is proposition 8\">Proposition 8<\/a>, in a nutshell is, quite frankly, one of those perfect examples why I think &#8220;religion&#8221; has no place in government policy. Lets be honest here, is there <em>anything else<\/em> that would make this sort of non-issue an issue? That shit is rooted in religious views no matter how you slice it. But again, I don&#8217;t say that religion should mind its own business because of it being &#8220;wrong&#8221; or &#8220;right&#8221; &#8211; but more of because religion is <em>bound<\/em> to give rise to conflict in <em>any<\/em> <strong>pluralistic<\/strong> society.<\/p>\n<p>Proposition 8, taken from an article:<\/p>\n<blockquote>\n<p>&#8230;aims to end same-sex marriage in California by amending the constitution to define marriage as between a man and a woman.<\/p>\n<\/blockquote>\n<p>While there certainly <em>are<\/em> <a href=\"http:\/\/www.venganza.org\" title=\"Church of the Flying Spaghetti Monster\">nuances with regards to my stand<\/a> on this, I&#8217;m interpreting &#8220;marriage&#8221; in this article in a &#8220;legal&#8221; context. If you can&#8217;t find the time to delineate the two, then that&#8217;s really not my problem. All the same, I&#8217;m going into &#8220;legal-union&#8221; (i.e. <strong>not<\/strong> sacrament) mode as far as this post goes.<\/p>\n<!--more-->\n<p>I guess the bottomline here is that unless you&#8217;ve been living under a rock, or have your head buried in the sand (whichever metaphor works for you), you <strong>must&#8217;ve<\/strong> noticed that the world isn&#8217;t made of one single belief system. It&#8217;s <strong>not<\/strong> <em>all-Christian,<\/em> not <em>all-Islam,<\/em> not <a href=\"http:\/\/www.venganza.org\" title=\"Church of the Flying Spaghetti Monster\"><em>all-CotFSM<\/em><\/a>, or all<em>-whatever-the-hell-belief-system<\/em> you can throw at it.<\/p>\n<p>And while fundamentalists may see that as a bad thing for their particular party (i.e. people have &#8220;lost their way&#8221;), maybe they should take a good look in the mirror as to what type of people are actually &#8220;more decent&#8221; and productive when faced with multiple creeds.<\/p>\n<p>There is a reason why something like killing is against the law. The law protects life <strong>not<\/strong> because it&#8217;s God&#8217;s will, but because it <em>should<\/em> be as inherent as breathing. We all agree that it&#8217;s a really dick move to take another person&#8217;s life &#8211; this has nothing to do with going to hell or what have you. I already mentioned in the past that the <a href=\"http:\/\/www.nargalzius.com\/blog\/archives\/2005\/01\/2005_01_27_0001.php\" title=\"view post\">golden rule<\/a> of religion(s) isn&#8217;t exclusive to the religious construct. Treating people fairly is a basic drive regardless of your creed.<\/p>\n<p>The &#8220;issue&#8221; tackled by Prop 8; clearly isn&#8217;t one of those things. Even if you think it is, it&#8217;s not &#8211; <em>period, fuck you.<\/em> These people aren&#8217;t harming anyone in their relationships. As much as I don&#8217;t want my children to be gay (which is a different post altogether) I really have no problem with homosexuality; a bunch of us have been hosted by gay couples during our US tours, and quite frankly, their relationships seem to be more &#8220;stable&#8221; (for lack of a better term) than normal heterosexual relationships. The worst that can happen is that they make others uncomfortable &#8211; and I really have to submit the only reason why people can be uncomfortable with something like that is because they&#8217;re <strong>too naive<\/strong> to accept &#8220;love&#8221; in its truest form; <em>un<strong>condition<\/strong>al.<\/em><\/p>\n<p>So when companies like <a href=\"http:\/\/www.sfgate.com\/cgi-bin\/blogs\/sfgate\/detail?blogid=19&amp;#38;entry_id=31899\">Apple<\/a> and <a href=\"http:\/\/thinkprogress.org\/2008\/09\/27\/google-comes-out-against-proposition-8\">Google<\/a> finally take a stand, I&#8217;m happy because <em>finally,<\/em> we have organizations that have just as much &#8220;clout&#8221; and influence as the religious nuts in a position to make a difference, and finally put an end to all this naivety.<\/p>\n<p>To me, it&#8217;s an even more compelling point if corporations like them take a stand. The truth of the matter is that corporations have a lot to lose when they take such controversial stands &#8211; because they&#8217;re bound offend half of their customers every single time. So for them to actually take a stand, it makes it clear how unreasonable the &#8220;other side&#8221; is.<\/p>\n<p>The bottom-line is: if you start from an <strong>unbiased<\/strong> perspective, you&#8217;d be hard-pressed to support the conservative\/religious camp when it comes to things like this. I mean I can probably say I&#8217;m a bit biased at this point. <span class=\"footnote_referrer\"><a role=\"button\" tabindex=\"0\" onclick=\"footnote_moveToReference_776_1('footnote_plugin_reference_776_1_1');\" onkeypress=\"footnote_moveToReference_776_1('footnote_plugin_reference_776_1_1');\" ><sup id=\"footnote_plugin_tooltip_776_1_1\" class=\"footnote_plugin_tooltip_text\">1 <\/sup><\/a><span id=\"footnote_plugin_tooltip_text_776_1_1\" class=\"footnote_tooltip\">Structured religion has had so many &#8220;strikes,&#8221; that its really hard for me to see other than a lesser, naive position&#8230; but I&#8217;m still trying, believe me.<\/span><\/span><script type=\"text\/javascript\"> jQuery('#footnote_plugin_tooltip_776_1_1').tooltip({ tip: '#footnote_plugin_tooltip_text_776_1_1', tipClass: 'footnote_tooltip', effect: 'fade', predelay: 0, fadeInSpeed: 200, delay: 400, fadeOutSpeed: 200, position: 'top right', relative: true, offset: [10, 10], });<\/script> But if I literally were just a child who wasn&#8217;t exposed to ANYTHING and was simply taught the &#8220;golden rule&#8221; &#8211; I wouldn&#8217;t see anything wrong with gay-mairrage, but would certainly see something wrong with people trying to hinder <em>other<\/em> people&#8217;s happiness simply because they don&#8217;t agree with them. And if you see it that way, it&#8217;s not surprising why companies like Apple and Google can make those decisions despite the repercussions.<\/p>\n<p>It simply is a matter of equality &#8211; and proposition 8 threatens that equality.<\/p>\n<p>My stand on the matter: a resounding <strong>NO<\/strong> to Proposition 8!<\/p><div class=\"speaker-mute footnotes_reference_container\"> <div class=\"footnote_container_prepare\"><p><span role=\"button\" tabindex=\"0\" class=\"footnote_reference_container_label pointer\" onclick=\"footnote_expand_collapse_reference_container_776_1();\">Notes<\/span><span role=\"button\" tabindex=\"0\" class=\"footnote_reference_container_collapse_button\" style=\"display: none;\" onclick=\"footnote_expand_collapse_reference_container_776_1();\">[<a id=\"footnote_reference_container_collapse_button_776_1\">+<\/a>]<\/span><\/p><\/div> <div id=\"footnote_references_container_776_1\" style=\"\"><table class=\"footnotes_table footnote-reference-container\"><caption class=\"accessibility\">Notes<\/caption> <tbody> \r\n\r\n<tr class=\"footnotes_plugin_reference_row\"> <th scope=\"row\" class=\"footnote_plugin_index_combi pointer\"  onclick=\"footnote_moveToAnchor_776_1('footnote_plugin_tooltip_776_1_1');\"><a id=\"footnote_plugin_reference_776_1_1\" class=\"footnote_backlink\"><span class=\"footnote_index_arrow\">&#8673;<\/span>1<\/a><\/th> <td class=\"footnote_plugin_text\">Structured religion has had so many &#8220;strikes,&#8221; that its really hard for me to see other than a lesser, naive position&#8230; but I&#8217;m still trying, believe me.<\/td><\/tr>\r\n\r\n <\/tbody> <\/table> <\/div><\/div><script type=\"text\/javascript\"> function footnote_expand_reference_container_776_1() { jQuery('#footnote_references_container_776_1').show(); jQuery('#footnote_reference_container_collapse_button_776_1').text('\u2212'); } function footnote_collapse_reference_container_776_1() { jQuery('#footnote_references_container_776_1').hide(); jQuery('#footnote_reference_container_collapse_button_776_1').text('+'); } function footnote_expand_collapse_reference_container_776_1() { if (jQuery('#footnote_references_container_776_1').is(':hidden')) { footnote_expand_reference_container_776_1(); } else { footnote_collapse_reference_container_776_1(); } } function footnote_moveToReference_776_1(p_str_TargetID) { footnote_expand_reference_container_776_1(); var l_obj_Target = jQuery('#' + p_str_TargetID); if (l_obj_Target.length) { jQuery( 'html, body' ).delay( 0 ); jQuery('html, body').animate({ scrollTop: l_obj_Target.offset().top - window.innerHeight * 0.2 }, 380); } } function footnote_moveToAnchor_776_1(p_str_TargetID) { footnote_expand_reference_container_776_1(); var l_obj_Target = jQuery('#' + p_str_TargetID); if (l_obj_Target.length) { jQuery( 'html, body' ).delay( 0 ); jQuery('html, body').animate({ scrollTop: l_obj_Target.offset().top - window.innerHeight * 0.2 }, 380); } }<\/script>","protected":false},"excerpt":{"rendered":"<p>Hey, it was bound to come up in this blog right? Hahahaha! So Proposition 8, in a nutshell is, quite frankly, one of those perfect examples why I think &#8220;religion&#8221; has no place in government policy. Lets be honest here, is there anything else that would make this sort of non-issue an issue? That shit &hellip; <p class=\"link-more\"><a href=\"http:\/\/nargalzius.com\/blog\/archives\/2008\/11\/02\/proposition-8\" class=\"more-link\">Continue reading<span class=\"screen-reader-text\"> &#8220;Proposition 8&#8221;<\/span><\/a><\/p><\/p>","protected":false},"author":1,"featured_media":0,"comment_status":"open","ping_status":"closed","sticky":false,"template":"","format":"standard","meta":{"jetpack_post_was_ever_published":false,"_jetpack_newsletter_access":"","_jetpack_dont_email_post_to_subs":false,"_jetpack_newsletter_tier_id":0,"_jetpack_memberships_contains_paywalled_content":false,"_jetpack_memberships_contains_paid_content":false,"footnotes":"","jetpack_publicize_message":"","jetpack_publicize_feature_enabled":true,"jetpack_social_post_already_shared":false,"jetpack_social_options":{"image_generator_settings":{"template":"highway","enabled":false},"version":2}},"categories":[4,5,11],"tags":[469,743,957,1004],"class_list":["post-776","post","type-post","status-publish","format-standard","hentry","category-general","category-internet","category-perspective","tag-gay","tag-marriage","tag-proposition-8","tag-religion"],"jetpack_publicize_connections":[],"jetpack_featured_media_url":"","jetpack_sharing_enabled":true,"jetpack-related-posts":[],"_links":{"self":[{"href":"http:\/\/nargalzius.com\/blog\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/posts\/776","targetHints":{"allow":["GET"]}}],"collection":[{"href":"http:\/\/nargalzius.com\/blog\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/posts"}],"about":[{"href":"http:\/\/nargalzius.com\/blog\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/types\/post"}],"author":[{"embeddable":true,"href":"http:\/\/nargalzius.com\/blog\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/users\/1"}],"replies":[{"embeddable":true,"href":"http:\/\/nargalzius.com\/blog\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/comments?post=776"}],"version-history":[{"count":0,"href":"http:\/\/nargalzius.com\/blog\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/posts\/776\/revisions"}],"wp:attachment":[{"href":"http:\/\/nargalzius.com\/blog\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/media?parent=776"}],"wp:term":[{"taxonomy":"category","embeddable":true,"href":"http:\/\/nargalzius.com\/blog\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/categories?post=776"},{"taxonomy":"post_tag","embeddable":true,"href":"http:\/\/nargalzius.com\/blog\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/tags?post=776"}],"curies":[{"name":"wp","href":"https:\/\/api.w.org\/{rel}","templated":true}]}}