{"id":474,"date":"2006-08-03T00:11:24","date_gmt":"2006-08-02T16:11:24","guid":{"rendered":"http:\/\/www.nargalzius.com\/blog2\/http:\/www.nargalzius.com\/blog2\/archives\/2006\/08\/2006_08_03_0011.php"},"modified":"2006-08-03T00:11:24","modified_gmt":"2006-08-02T16:11:24","slug":"as-promised-2","status":"publish","type":"post","link":"http:\/\/nargalzius.com\/blog\/archives\/2006\/08\/03\/as-promised-2","title":{"rendered":"As promised"},"content":{"rendered":"<p>Well, not that anyone cares, but I <em>did<\/em> say that I was compelled to justify my earlier <a href=\"http:\/\/www.digidesign.com\/index.cfm?langid=1&amp;itemid=4877\" title=\"View product\">purchase<\/a> of a certain mixer, so just skip this post if you ain&#8217;t interested.<\/p>\n<!--more-->\n<h2>Choices<\/h2>\n<p>My initial purpose was to get a phantom power box for my microphones, but then thought why not just spend extra and get the phantom power <em>as well as<\/em> mixing capabilities. Then I pushed my luck in justifying getting an affordable mixer that was also a control surface.<\/p>\n<p>For those who don&#8217;t know, a mixer in uber-laymans terms is that board which has those knobs and faders &#8211; where you can put mics, instruments, etc. and easily control them in one place. I mention this because a <em>control surface<\/em> is similar in a sense, but was meant to interact with software. There are digital consoles that are both mixers and control surfaces. A perfect example would be <a href=\"http:\/\/www.digidesign.com\/index.cfm?langid=1&amp;itemid=4877\" title=\"View product\">Digidesign&#8217;s <em>Control24<\/em><\/a> series.<\/p>\n<p>To cut a long story short, I had to scrap that idea because the cheapest console that&#8217;s both a mixer\/control surface would probably be <a href=\"http:\/\/www.m-audio.com\/products\/en_us\/ProjectMixIO-main.html\" title=\"Veiw product\">M-Audio&#8217;s <em>ProjectMix I\/O<\/em><\/a> &#8211; there&#8217;s also the <a href=\"http:\/\/www.mackie.com\/products\/mcu\/\" title=\"View product\">Mackie <em>Control Universal<\/em><\/a> which I have no idea how much is. I was eventually left with the need for a simple analog mixer with phantom power (which is pretty standard).<\/p>\n<h2>The Brands<\/h2>\n<p>My conditions:<\/p>\n<ol>\n<li>4 or more tracks &#8211; I usually just record voice and guitar, so two would do, but the prospect of how useful the mixer on a live scenario would be, I felt it would be safe to up the tracks a bit to accomodate future &#8220;upgrades.&#8221;<\/li>\n<li>Faders &#8211; almost all mixers with less than 6-8 tracks are all knob-based. Having a fader is very useful<\/li>\n<li>Small &#8211; something that can fit in a bag in case you have to bring it somewhere<\/li>\n<li>Phantom power &#8211; some don&#8217;t have this so it would be prudent to make sure.<\/li>\n<li>Per-track mute buttons &#8211; you&#8217;d be surprised, when you start going down to 6 tracks or less, a lot of mixers lose these useful buttons.<\/li>\n<li>Fit my budget &#8211; obviously<\/li>\n<\/ol>\n<p>I only considered 3 brands. <strong>Mackie, Behringer,<\/strong> and <strong>M-Audio.<\/strong>Basically because these were probably the only brands that had consumer lines that were somewhat affordable <span class=\"footnote_referrer\"><a role=\"button\" tabindex=\"0\" onclick=\"footnote_moveToReference_474_1('footnote_plugin_reference_474_1_1');\" onkeypress=\"footnote_moveToReference_474_1('footnote_plugin_reference_474_1_1');\" ><sup id=\"footnote_plugin_tooltip_474_1_1\" class=\"footnote_plugin_tooltip_text\">1 <\/sup><\/a><span id=\"footnote_plugin_tooltip_text_474_1_1\" class=\"footnote_tooltip\">Other brands usually have mixers with too many tracks that what I need for the moment &#8211; and understandably their prices are quite hefty as they usually start with 16-24 tracks already.<\/span><\/span><script type=\"text\/javascript\"> jQuery('#footnote_plugin_tooltip_474_1_1').tooltip({ tip: '#footnote_plugin_tooltip_text_474_1_1', tipClass: 'footnote_tooltip', effect: 'fade', predelay: 0, fadeInSpeed: 200, delay: 400, fadeOutSpeed: 200, position: 'top right', relative: true, offset: [10, 10], });<\/script>. The last two were interesting because they make very affordable gear. M-Audio would&#8217;ve been nice if actually had a diversified multi-track line. Unfortunately they focus too much on digital I\/Os or audio interfaces in general. Your choice of <em>actual<\/em> mixers are <em>extremely limited<\/em>. Plus the fact that once you <em>do<\/em> find one (e.g. ProjectMix), it&#8217;s not that affordable anymore.<\/p>\n<p>In any case, actually narrowing down to what models I could choose from was the easy part, because that checklist I have above apparently narrowed the results to like 1 or 2 mixers per brand.<\/p>\n<p>I really wanted a Mackie (don&#8217;t we all?). And mackie actually had one interesting product as far as the specs I needed was concerned &#8211; their <em>Onyx 1220,<\/em> which cost 600USD &#8211; so my heart sank immediately. The <strong>only<\/strong> Mackie mixer that was in my budget was the <em>DFX.6<\/em>, which wasn&#8217;t worth the cash.<\/p>\n<p>So I was pretty much left with Behringer&#8217;s <a href=\"http:\/\/www.behringer.com\/XENYX-SERIES\/index.cfm?lang=ENG\" title=\"View product line\">Xenyx series,<\/a> which had a myriad of different mixer models. And the closest model they had to the Mackie <em>Onyx<\/em> was probably the 1204FX which cost less than 200 dollars. Since I had no way from sourcing it from the US, I just bit the bullet and accepted Philippine retail prices. Luckily they had a non-FX model <span class=\"footnote_referrer\"><a role=\"button\" tabindex=\"0\" onclick=\"footnote_moveToReference_474_1('footnote_plugin_reference_474_1_2');\" onkeypress=\"footnote_moveToReference_474_1('footnote_plugin_reference_474_1_2');\" ><sup id=\"footnote_plugin_tooltip_474_1_2\" class=\"footnote_plugin_tooltip_text\">2 <\/sup><\/a><span id=\"footnote_plugin_tooltip_text_474_1_2\" class=\"footnote_tooltip\">While I do believe in hardware effects, having effects built in a mixer to me, is synonimous to using built-in video\/audio of a motherboard in a PC &#8211; which can be decent, but why waste money on them if you can get a separate, BETTER effects processor down the road.<\/span><\/span><script type=\"text\/javascript\"> jQuery('#footnote_plugin_tooltip_474_1_2').tooltip({ tip: '#footnote_plugin_tooltip_text_474_1_2', tipClass: 'footnote_tooltip', effect: 'fade', predelay: 0, fadeInSpeed: 200, delay: 400, fadeOutSpeed: 200, position: 'top right', relative: true, offset: [10, 10], });<\/script> (1204, which I have) which was even cheaper &#8211; and allowed me to acquire for less than Php10k<\/p>\n<h2>Marketing crap<\/h2>\n<p>As much as I hate to admit it, the marketing actually worked for me. Their whole &#8220;British-EQ&#8221; pitch simply meant that they have emulated the kind of EQ process pioneered by Mr. Rupert Neve <span class=\"footnote_referrer\"><a role=\"button\" tabindex=\"0\" onclick=\"footnote_moveToReference_474_1('footnote_plugin_reference_474_1_3');\" onkeypress=\"footnote_moveToReference_474_1('footnote_plugin_reference_474_1_3');\" ><sup id=\"footnote_plugin_tooltip_474_1_3\" class=\"footnote_plugin_tooltip_text\">3 <\/sup><\/a><span id=\"footnote_plugin_tooltip_text_474_1_3\" class=\"footnote_tooltip\">Who incidentally had also designed a bunch of Taylor&#8217;s successful amplification systems.<\/span><\/span><script type=\"text\/javascript\"> jQuery('#footnote_plugin_tooltip_474_1_3').tooltip({ tip: '#footnote_plugin_tooltip_text_474_1_3', tipClass: 'footnote_tooltip', effect: 'fade', predelay: 0, fadeInSpeed: 200, delay: 400, fadeOutSpeed: 200, position: 'top right', relative: true, offset: [10, 10], });<\/script> and has been some kind of phenomenon as far as &#8220;EQ preference&#8221; is concerned. Another was because its predecessor, the <em>Eurodesk<\/em> series, seems to have had excellent reviews &#8211; and obbviously they touted the the Xenyx as a improved version. The XLR connectors have been improved from the Eurodesk series as well, they now use premium <em>Nutrik<\/em> connectors.<\/p>\n<p>And there&#8217;s the fact that it came with a digital interface adaptor. So basically you can plug it to your computer via USB and be sure you&#8217;re getting a clean, <strong>digital<\/strong> signal. Ironically, I&#8217;m not using it because for some reason I can&#8217;t use it in ASIO mode when using my Terratec as well. And I&#8217;m sure as hell not going to go WDM mode. So I&#8217;d rather deal with an analog signal, my hardware sounds clean anyways hehehe.<\/p>\n<p>But I could&#8217;ve easily taken these things with the grain of salt, ultimately I knew I was just rationalizing <em>not<\/em> getting that Mackie I couldn&#8217;t afford. But it took the sales rep of Behringer to convince me. I always tend to listen to someone if they have the guts to slam their own products. And that&#8217;s exactly what he did when I was inquiring about other products which I had no intention to buy in the first place.<\/p>\n<p>First was his warning me of getting the B-Control control surface, because there were a lot of cases where it would hang and corrupt computers. Or the simple stuff like saying, you don&#8217;t need a hum-reducer (as I was intrigued at this little aluminum box) as long as you have properly grounded equipment, and getting such a gadget was ultimately a waste of money. This is stuff I already knew, but was extremely pleased to hear it from someone else nontheless &#8211; which made it obvious that he wasn&#8217;t merely a sales rep, but someone who actually cared about audio.<\/p>\n<p>Then we also spent a whole amount of time (about 2 hours) just trying different combinations of connectors and mixers in the showroom, which was a big plus. In any case, the Xenyx, with all of it&#8217;s feautres and digital I\/O module give it a really good value for the money. So my ultimate decision of getting the Xenyx was a sound one&#8230; and one that I would never regret.<\/p>\n<p>Unless, that Mackie Onyx suddenly drops to the same price range hehehehe.<\/p><div class=\"speaker-mute footnotes_reference_container\"> <div class=\"footnote_container_prepare\"><p><span role=\"button\" tabindex=\"0\" class=\"footnote_reference_container_label pointer\" onclick=\"footnote_expand_collapse_reference_container_474_1();\">Notes<\/span><span role=\"button\" tabindex=\"0\" class=\"footnote_reference_container_collapse_button\" style=\"display: none;\" onclick=\"footnote_expand_collapse_reference_container_474_1();\">[<a id=\"footnote_reference_container_collapse_button_474_1\">+<\/a>]<\/span><\/p><\/div> <div id=\"footnote_references_container_474_1\" style=\"\"><table class=\"footnotes_table footnote-reference-container\"><caption class=\"accessibility\">Notes<\/caption> <tbody> \r\n\r\n<tr class=\"footnotes_plugin_reference_row\"> <th scope=\"row\" class=\"footnote_plugin_index_combi pointer\"  onclick=\"footnote_moveToAnchor_474_1('footnote_plugin_tooltip_474_1_1');\"><a id=\"footnote_plugin_reference_474_1_1\" class=\"footnote_backlink\"><span class=\"footnote_index_arrow\">&#8673;<\/span>1<\/a><\/th> <td class=\"footnote_plugin_text\">Other brands usually have mixers with too many tracks that what I need for the moment &#8211; 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