{"id":347,"date":"2005-08-12T01:44:50","date_gmt":"2005-08-11T17:44:50","guid":{"rendered":"http:\/\/www.nargalzius.com\/blog2\/http:\/www.nargalzius.com\/blog2\/archives\/2005\/08\/2005_08_12_0144.php"},"modified":"2005-08-12T01:44:50","modified_gmt":"2005-08-11T17:44:50","slug":"mapatulan-nga","status":"publish","type":"post","link":"http:\/\/nargalzius.com\/blog\/archives\/2005\/08\/12\/mapatulan-nga","title":{"rendered":"Mapatulan nga&#8230;"},"content":{"rendered":"<p><a href=\"http:\/\/www.livejournal.com\/users\/t1moune\/95878.html\" title=\"View post\">Jowi<\/a> posted <a href=\"http:\/\/www.livejournal.com\/users\/t1moune\/95878.html\" title=\"View post\">something interesting<\/a> in her blog, which I will have to disagree with to a certain extent. I&#8217;ve commented on it, but I thought instead of editing myself with follow up replies (since LJ doesn&#8217;t seem to have a comment-edit feature) I&#8217;ll just state my argument here.<\/p>\n<p>Read the post first before looking below, because I will assume you have absorbed it.<!--more-->I mentioned that we&#8217;re only 2x worse than women since the time\/money aspect <strong>cannot<\/strong> be applied to us. The thing is, since they <em>included<\/em> themselves (women) in <em>our<\/em> equation, this should mean that we are within our rights to include <em>ourselves<\/em> to theirs. I mean women need men as much as men need women; that&#8217;s the whole idea of relationships, else there would be no argument to begin with&#8230; that, and there would be no heterosexuals in the world \ud83d\ude09<\/p>\n<p>So that alone, will put them a notch above us again hehehehe. But I&#8217;m not here to argue, about that. What I simply wanted to do is to explain why we can assert that they (women) take <strong>time<\/strong> and <strong>money<\/strong> (which makes most of them high maintenance) and we (men) do not.<\/p>\n<p>Of course there are exceptions (even in heterosexuals), and I&#8217;m not going to count them. But undeniable proof that they need it and we don&#8217;t is the fact that more often than not, <em>girls<\/em> are the people with issues when we don&#8217;t spend enough <strong>time<\/strong> with them &#8211; now if the corollary were true, then there should be a lot of incidents where men fight with their women because the latter didn&#8217;t have time for them&#8230; which we <em>all<\/em> know sounds rather silly (though there <em>are<\/em> exceptions).<\/p>\n<p>Now another is the money part, women claim that they don&#8217;t need money&#8230; I actually agree with them to some extent. They in fact need only <em>time.<\/em> Time and &#8220;excitement&#8221; that is, and the whole excitement part is the one that really entails the money. Again, easily proven by women who start fighting with us if we aren&#8217;t <em>doing anything to make them feel special.<\/em><\/p>\n<p>So it&#8217;s more of being naive on their part, as they <em>usually<\/em> are predisposed to living in some ideal world where no one was poor, and everyone could afford everything&#8230; so spending to please each other isn&#8217;t an issue to them. That, or the romantic world that money should be no object, and I&#8217;m sure stuff like this will forever be a man\/woman difference in perspective (depending on age of course). I simply live by the fact that when you finally have a family to support, love alone cannot feed them. And when they start bringing in the big guns talking about how men could spend on their hobbies and not their women. It is truly a guilt trip which is effective, but objectively, we buy our stuff, we do not ask you to buy them for us for the sake of the relationship, nor do we expect you to appreciate what we buy. And most importantly, it&#8217;s <em>our<\/em> money!<\/p>\n<p>And while I am <strong>not<\/strong> saying that they <em>shouldn&#8217;t<\/em> have such a mentality, I&#8217;m simply saying that we guys do not share this view, and it&#8217;s unfair for them to demand it of us. But all the same, I don&#8217;t think women are evil for thinking like that.<\/p>\n<p>Having said that, when they turn the tables on us and say stuff like &#8220;the spend for us also, etc. etc.&#8221; &#8211; that is true and I will not contest that. But <em>we<\/em> know and <em>they<\/em> know that we (guys) couldn&#8217;t care less if they bought us stuff or not. Because if <em>we<\/em> want something, <strong>we do something about it.<\/strong> If <em>they<\/em> want something, they want <strong>us<\/strong> to do something about it. Now while this is perfectly fine in a relationship, you can clearly see how differently men and women operate (men do stuff they want themselves, women want men to do stuff women want for them). And I just wanted to say is that we&#8217;re down with the pampering thing, but cut us some friggin&#8217; slack willya!? Don&#8217;t be brattier than the &#8220;bratty disposition&#8221; <span class=\"footnote_referrer\"><a role=\"button\" tabindex=\"0\" onclick=\"footnote_moveToReference_347_1('footnote_plugin_reference_347_1_1');\" onkeypress=\"footnote_moveToReference_347_1('footnote_plugin_reference_347_1_1');\" ><sup id=\"footnote_plugin_tooltip_347_1_1\" class=\"footnote_plugin_tooltip_text\">1 <\/sup><\/a><span id=\"footnote_plugin_tooltip_text_347_1_1\" class=\"footnote_tooltip\">This is rather harsh I know, but I can&#8217;t quite articulate it. I simply meant that women, the same people who fight for their equality and independence, expect to be treated specially by men. Put in a pedestal if you will. Which, quite honestly, is a double standard if ever I&#8217;ve seen one.<\/span><\/span><script type=\"text\/javascript\"> jQuery('#footnote_plugin_tooltip_347_1_1').tooltip({ tip: '#footnote_plugin_tooltip_text_347_1_1', tipClass: 'footnote_tooltip', effect: 'fade', predelay: 0, fadeInSpeed: 200, delay: 400, fadeOutSpeed: 200, position: 'top right', relative: true, offset: [10, 10], });<\/script> your kind are already born into.<\/p>\n<p>It&#8217;s always more fulfilling if you&#8217;re not expecting anything from us, then we surprise you &#8211; than you being high maintenance and whatever we do is either &#8220;up to par&#8221; or &#8220;expected of us.&#8221; That simply makes us want to do nothing. And besides, why are you expecting anything in the first place? I know the only thing <em>we<\/em> expect from our women is faithfulness&#8230; that&#8217;s about it.<\/p>\n<p>What we (guys) <em>really<\/em> want is the simple fact that you (women) are <em>with<\/em> us&#8230; no stings attached. I wish that it was the same for you girls.<\/p>\n<p>A simple scenario: we guys can just hang at home with you women. As a bonus, if you&#8217;re sexually active, we can actually do it all the time 24\/7 with you time permitting. It doesn&#8217;t matter what we eat at home (wether it was leftovers or whatnot) doesn&#8217;t matter what was showing in the TV (because we won&#8217;t be watching anything anyways hehehe). Any little detail really doesn&#8217;t matter to us, since the fact that the women we dig are in the same room with us already made our day. We can literally do nothing (just sit there, or sleep) with you and we&#8217;d still be ok.<\/p>\n<p>Now my question is can you women imagine yourselves in such a repetitive scenario? Cuz we males sure as hell can. You may say &#8220;yes sure, after all, we&#8217;re together&#8221; &#8211; and that&#8217;s all that matters right? <span class=\"footnote_referrer\"><a role=\"button\" tabindex=\"0\" onclick=\"footnote_moveToReference_347_1('footnote_plugin_reference_347_1_2');\" onkeypress=\"footnote_moveToReference_347_1('footnote_plugin_reference_347_1_2');\" ><sup id=\"footnote_plugin_tooltip_347_1_2\" class=\"footnote_plugin_tooltip_text\">2 <\/sup><\/a><span id=\"footnote_plugin_tooltip_text_347_1_2\" class=\"footnote_tooltip\">Which incidentally, is PURELY TRUE for us guys. Women usually have a lot of fine print included in that statement. Like &#8220;&#8230;as long as we&#8217;re together&#8230; and this and that and this and that.&#8221;<\/span><\/span><script type=\"text\/javascript\"> jQuery('#footnote_plugin_tooltip_347_1_2').tooltip({ tip: '#footnote_plugin_tooltip_text_347_1_2', tipClass: 'footnote_tooltip', effect: 'fade', predelay: 0, fadeInSpeed: 200, delay: 400, fadeOutSpeed: 200, position: 'top right', relative: true, offset: [10, 10], });<\/script> <strong><em>WRONG!<\/em><\/strong> Even if you don&#8217;t admit it at first, there will come a day that you will just want to do something different. That&#8217;s where we differ from you. As much as we are all for a change in pace&#8230; it&#8217;s not like we <em>need<\/em> it, and we definitely <strong>don&#8217;t<\/strong> go out of our way looking for it.<\/p>\n<p>As I said, men are simpletons when it comes to partners and pleasures &#8211; we are easily pleased. Give us something we enjoy, and we can stick to it till the end of time! That&#8217;s why you have your sports jocks that always play basketball with their buddies, or the computer geeks that are fine staying home online, or the gym people who get off lifting stuff 24\/7. You cannot deny that <em>any guy<\/em> that has <em>any<\/em> hobby or interest can stick with it for longer (and spend on it more) than what their women consider &#8220;reasonable.&#8221; And that&#8217;s why the whole &#8220;time\/money&#8221; issue always comes up&#8230; and it&#8217;s almost certain that the <em>women<\/em> bring it up. We may joke about your fetish with shopping or clothing, but we don&#8217;t tell you that you shouldn&#8217;t &#8211; after all, it&#8217;s <em>your<\/em> money. It only becomes an issue if you&#8217;re using <em>our<\/em> credit cards for it (and probably the fact that we have to chaperone you to an activity we&#8217;d rather spend doing an activity <em>we<\/em> enjoy, even if it meant being on our own).<\/p>\n<p>I can go on trying to show you how we men think, but I&#8217;ll just tell you this to save time: Take any regular relationship with problems (which is like, ALL hehehe). Listen to their &#8220;problems,&#8221; especially when it comes to time and money &#8211; and try to see who exactly is the person who needs what more. Chances are the women do. Not explicitly of course, because you sure as hell know that guys aren&#8217;t the people who are complicating the relationships. <span class=\"footnote_referrer\"><a role=\"button\" tabindex=\"0\" onclick=\"footnote_moveToReference_347_1('footnote_plugin_reference_347_1_3');\" onkeypress=\"footnote_moveToReference_347_1('footnote_plugin_reference_347_1_3');\" ><sup id=\"footnote_plugin_tooltip_347_1_3\" class=\"footnote_plugin_tooltip_text\">3 <\/sup><\/a><span id=\"footnote_plugin_tooltip_text_347_1_3\" class=\"footnote_tooltip\">With the exception of wife beaters, etc. etc.<\/span><\/span><script type=\"text\/javascript\"> jQuery('#footnote_plugin_tooltip_347_1_3').tooltip({ tip: '#footnote_plugin_tooltip_text_347_1_3', tipClass: 'footnote_tooltip', effect: 'fade', predelay: 0, fadeInSpeed: 200, delay: 400, fadeOutSpeed: 200, position: 'top right', relative: true, offset: [10, 10], });<\/script> While men can either be <em>galante<\/em> or stingy, you have to admit that if the women <em>truly<\/em> simply wanted to be with the man (as men do with the women) then there shouldn&#8217;t be an issue to begin with. Bonus nalang dapat kung galante or romantic.<\/p>\n<p>So yes, regardles of varying degrees, &#8220;high maintenance&#8221; is <em>usually<\/em> an apt term for women. <span class=\"footnote_referrer\"><a role=\"button\" tabindex=\"0\" onclick=\"footnote_moveToReference_347_1('footnote_plugin_reference_347_1_4');\" onkeypress=\"footnote_moveToReference_347_1('footnote_plugin_reference_347_1_4');\" ><sup id=\"footnote_plugin_tooltip_347_1_4\" class=\"footnote_plugin_tooltip_text\">4 <\/sup><\/a><span id=\"footnote_plugin_tooltip_text_347_1_4\" class=\"footnote_tooltip\">Again, there are exceptions&#8230; but those aren&#8217;t fun to talk about are they?<\/span><\/span><script type=\"text\/javascript\"> jQuery('#footnote_plugin_tooltip_347_1_4').tooltip({ tip: '#footnote_plugin_tooltip_text_347_1_4', tipClass: 'footnote_tooltip', effect: 'fade', predelay: 0, fadeInSpeed: 200, delay: 400, fadeOutSpeed: 200, position: 'top right', relative: true, offset: [10, 10], });<\/script> But evil? Not at all. <span class=\"footnote_referrer\"><a role=\"button\" tabindex=\"0\" onclick=\"footnote_moveToReference_347_1('footnote_plugin_reference_347_1_5');\" onkeypress=\"footnote_moveToReference_347_1('footnote_plugin_reference_347_1_5');\" ><sup id=\"footnote_plugin_tooltip_347_1_5\" class=\"footnote_plugin_tooltip_text\">5 <\/sup><\/a><span id=\"footnote_plugin_tooltip_text_347_1_5\" class=\"footnote_tooltip\">&#8220;Crazy&#8221; is a much more fitting adjective<\/span><\/span><script type=\"text\/javascript\"> jQuery('#footnote_plugin_tooltip_347_1_5').tooltip({ tip: '#footnote_plugin_tooltip_text_347_1_5', tipClass: 'footnote_tooltip', effect: 'fade', predelay: 0, fadeInSpeed: 200, delay: 400, fadeOutSpeed: 200, position: 'top right', relative: true, offset: [10, 10], });<\/script><\/p><div class=\"speaker-mute footnotes_reference_container\"> <div class=\"footnote_container_prepare\"><p><span role=\"button\" tabindex=\"0\" class=\"footnote_reference_container_label pointer\" onclick=\"footnote_expand_collapse_reference_container_347_1();\">Notes<\/span><span role=\"button\" tabindex=\"0\" class=\"footnote_reference_container_collapse_button\" style=\"display: none;\" onclick=\"footnote_expand_collapse_reference_container_347_1();\">[<a id=\"footnote_reference_container_collapse_button_347_1\">+<\/a>]<\/span><\/p><\/div> <div id=\"footnote_references_container_347_1\" style=\"\"><table class=\"footnotes_table footnote-reference-container\"><caption class=\"accessibility\">Notes<\/caption> <tbody> \r\n\r\n<tr class=\"footnotes_plugin_reference_row\"> <th scope=\"row\" class=\"footnote_plugin_index_combi pointer\"  onclick=\"footnote_moveToAnchor_347_1('footnote_plugin_tooltip_347_1_1');\"><a id=\"footnote_plugin_reference_347_1_1\" class=\"footnote_backlink\"><span class=\"footnote_index_arrow\">&#8673;<\/span>1<\/a><\/th> <td class=\"footnote_plugin_text\">This is rather harsh I know, but I can&#8217;t quite articulate it. I simply meant that women, the same people who fight for their equality and independence, expect to be treated specially by men. Put in a pedestal if you will. Which, quite honestly, is a double standard if ever I&#8217;ve seen one.<\/td><\/tr>\r\n\r\n<tr class=\"footnotes_plugin_reference_row\"> <th scope=\"row\" class=\"footnote_plugin_index_combi pointer\"  onclick=\"footnote_moveToAnchor_347_1('footnote_plugin_tooltip_347_1_2');\"><a id=\"footnote_plugin_reference_347_1_2\" class=\"footnote_backlink\"><span class=\"footnote_index_arrow\">&#8673;<\/span>2<\/a><\/th> <td class=\"footnote_plugin_text\">Which incidentally, is PURELY TRUE for us guys. Women usually have a lot of fine print included in that statement. 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I&#8217;ve commented on it, but I thought instead of editing myself with follow up replies (since LJ doesn&#8217;t seem to have a comment-edit feature) I&#8217;ll just state my argument here. Read the post first before looking below, &hellip; <p class=\"link-more\"><a href=\"http:\/\/nargalzius.com\/blog\/archives\/2005\/08\/12\/mapatulan-nga\" class=\"more-link\">Continue reading<span class=\"screen-reader-text\"> &#8220;Mapatulan nga&#8230;&#8221;<\/span><\/a><\/p><\/p>","protected":false},"author":1,"featured_media":0,"comment_status":"open","ping_status":"closed","sticky":false,"template":"","format":"standard","meta":{"jetpack_post_was_ever_published":false,"_jetpack_newsletter_access":"","_jetpack_dont_email_post_to_subs":false,"_jetpack_newsletter_tier_id":0,"_jetpack_memberships_contains_paywalled_content":false,"_jetpack_memberships_contains_paid_content":false,"footnotes":"","jetpack_publicize_message":"","jetpack_publicize_feature_enabled":true,"jetpack_social_post_already_shared":false,"jetpack_social_options":{"image_generator_settings":{"template":"highway","enabled":false},"version":2}},"categories":[4,10,11],"tags":[473,896,1300],"class_list":["post-347","post","type-post","status-publish","format-standard","hentry","category-general","category-nonsense","category-perspective","tag-general","tag-perspective","tag-women"],"jetpack_publicize_connections":[],"jetpack_featured_media_url":"","jetpack_sharing_enabled":true,"jetpack-related-posts":[],"_links":{"self":[{"href":"http:\/\/nargalzius.com\/blog\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/posts\/347","targetHints":{"allow":["GET"]}}],"collection":[{"href":"http:\/\/nargalzius.com\/blog\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/posts"}],"about":[{"href":"http:\/\/nargalzius.com\/blog\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/types\/post"}],"author":[{"embeddable":true,"href":"http:\/\/nargalzius.com\/blog\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/users\/1"}],"replies":[{"embeddable":true,"href":"http:\/\/nargalzius.com\/blog\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/comments?post=347"}],"version-history":[{"count":0,"href":"http:\/\/nargalzius.com\/blog\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/posts\/347\/revisions"}],"wp:attachment":[{"href":"http:\/\/nargalzius.com\/blog\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/media?parent=347"}],"wp:term":[{"taxonomy":"category","embeddable":true,"href":"http:\/\/nargalzius.com\/blog\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/categories?post=347"},{"taxonomy":"post_tag","embeddable":true,"href":"http:\/\/nargalzius.com\/blog\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/tags?post=347"}],"curies":[{"name":"wp","href":"https:\/\/api.w.org\/{rel}","templated":true}]}}