{"id":258,"date":"2005-03-27T19:50:46","date_gmt":"2005-03-27T11:50:46","guid":{"rendered":"http:\/\/www.nargalzius.com\/blog2\/http:\/www.nargalzius.com\/blog2\/archives\/2005\/03\/2005_03_27_1950.php"},"modified":"2005-03-27T19:50:46","modified_gmt":"2005-03-27T11:50:46","slug":"fanboys-unite","status":"publish","type":"post","link":"http:\/\/nargalzius.com\/blog\/archives\/2005\/03\/27\/fanboys-unite","title":{"rendered":"Fanboys, unite!"},"content":{"rendered":"<p><a href=\"http:\/\/news.zdnet.co.uk\/software\/mac\/0,39020393,39192111,00.htm\" title=\"View article\">Slashdot<\/a> has posted information on a <a href=\"http:\/\/apple.slashdot.org\/article.pl?sid=05\/03\/26\/1757221&amp;from=rss\" title=\"View article\">cancelled contest<\/a> of writing a Mac OSX virus to put to rest the recent debate of OS X being no more secure than Windows.<\/p>\n<p>Now is it just me, or do I feel that people are just too damn defensive of OS X? I mean I love it. I&#8217;m using it.  I can even claim that it is more &#8220;secure&#8221; than Windows. But I&#8217;ve never in my life assumed that it was invincible. And another thing, since when did it become a Apple vs MS thing again? The whole premise of the contest\/post isn&#8217;t even valid since it should never had compared the two in the first place.<\/p>\n<p>If I&#8217;m not mistaken, the article(s) that triggered this whole debate was from ZDNet (at least as far as <a href=\"http:\/\/www.slashdot.com\" title=\"View article\">Slashdot<\/a> was concerned), which can be read <a href=\"http:\/\/apple.slashdot.org\/article.pl?sid=05\/03\/26\/1757221&amp;from=rss\" title=\"View article\">here<\/a> and <a href=\"http:\/\/news.zdnet.co.uk\/software\/mac\/0,39020393,39192111,00.htm\" title=\"View article\">here<\/a>. They document Symantec&#8217;s claims of OS X&#8217;s increasing &#8220;attractiveness&#8221; of being a malware target.<\/p>\n<p>In no way did I construe the article as trying to suggest <strong>any<\/strong> of the OSes being better than the other.<\/p>\n<!--more-->\n<p>This quote from <a href=\"http:\/\/www.slashdot.com\" title=\"View article\">Slashdot<\/a> disappointed me; it seems that <a href=\"http:\/\/www.slashdot.com\" title=\"View article\">Slashdot<\/a> <em>itself<\/em> has lost its objectivity on the matter (that is of course, not to say that I&#8217;m objective hehehehe):<\/p>\n<blockquote>\n<p>Symantec has been fanning the flames of totally bogus &#8220;Macs aren&#8217;t <strong>more<\/strong> secure, it&#8217;s just that Windows is a bigger target&#8221; <strong>technical-equivalence<\/strong> propaganda!<\/p>\n<\/blockquote>\n<p>First off, that was misleading in itself. The use of the word &#8220;more&#8221; suggests comparison of security to something already&#8230; which is obviously followed by the mention of Windows (duh). Another is them interpreting Symantec&#8217;s claims as a technical-quivalence propaganda. I would agree on the propaganda part, but &#8220;technical-equivalence?&#8221; As I said, I failed to see them [Symantec] insinuating that any of the two OSes were more (or less) secure than the other.<\/p>\n<p>Where <strong>exactly<\/strong> does it say in the <a href=\"http:\/\/news.zdnet.co.uk\/software\/mac\/0,39020393,39192111,00.htm\" title=\"View article\">ZDnet article<\/a> (which <a href=\"http:\/\/www.slashdot.com\" title=\"View article\">Slashdot<\/a> linked to) that Symantec has ever claimed OS X <em>wasn&#8217;t<\/em> more secure than Windows? In fact, where in the <a href=\"http:\/\/news.zdnet.co.uk\/software\/mac\/0,39020393,39192111,00.htm\" title=\"View article\">article<\/a> has Symantec ever directly compared the former&#8217;s security capabilities with Windows?<\/p>\n<p>Is it this quote?<\/p>\n<blockquote>\n<p>Contrary to popular belief, the Macintosh operating system has not always been a safe haven from malicious code,&#8221; Symantec said. &#8220;Out of the public eye for some time, it is now clear that the Mac OS is increasingly becoming a target for the malicious activity that is more commonly associated with Microsoft and various Unix-based operating systems&#8217;<\/p>\n<\/blockquote>\n<p>Read that damn paragraph more carefully folks. It simply says that OS X isn&#8217;t invincible as one would think (a safe haven) It mentions Microsoft and Linux (various Unix-based OSes) <em>in passing.<\/em> <strong>They <em>never<\/em> claimed that OS X was less (or more) secure than them!<\/strong> The <strong>real<\/strong> thesis statement of that paragraph is <strong>&#8220;that the Mac OS is increasingly becoming a target for the malicious activity&#8221;<\/strong><\/p>\n<p>This even makes it clearer:<\/p>\n<blockquote>\n<p>&#8220;Look at where mobile viruses are going and they are not targeting Microsoft \u0096 they are targeting the market leader, which is Symbian.&#8221;<\/p>\n<\/blockquote>\n<p>People should quit turning this into a MS vs Apple debate! If ever there is one company to be angry with, it should be Symantec <em>alone<\/em> for using fear to market their software. I wouldn&#8217;t say that the Symantec&#8217;s claims were wrong, but I could definitely say that those same claims were used for the <em>wrong reasons.<\/em><\/p>\n<p>If a Mac <a href=\"http:\/\/en.wikipedia.org\/wiki\/Whitehat\" title=\"What is a whitehat site?\">whitehat site<\/a> had made the same claims, I doubt anyone would take it against them. All the bickering from Apple people I read about are usually simply because they were <a href=\"http:\/\/en.wikipedia.org\/wiki\/Fanboy\" title=\"What is a fanboy?\">fanboy<\/a>s and simply refused to see the validity of Symantecs claims &#8211; wether they be applicable now, or in the times to come.<\/p>\n<p>The best comment I&#8217;ve heard in the <a href=\"http:\/\/www.slashdot.com\" title=\"View article\">Slashdot<\/a> comments thread about <a href=\"http:\/\/apple.slashdot.org\/article.pl?sid=05\/03\/26\/1757221&amp;from=rss\" title=\"View article\">the whole thing<\/a> apparently was the <strong>shortest:<\/strong><\/p>\n<blockquote>\n<p>A computer is only as secure as its user.<\/p>\n<\/blockquote>\n<p>Ultimately, an OS <strong>can<\/strong> be more secure than another, but as long as the users are complacent then &#8220;security&#8221; is just a punchline. <em>Confidence in one&#8217;s system<\/em> is different from <em>arrogance for one&#8217;s system.<\/em> So if you want to believe that OS X is invincible, be my guest. Just don&#8217;t blame anyone if your box gets messed up.<\/p>\n<p>And in case you&#8217;re wondering. I <strong>don&#8217;t<\/strong> have <em>any<\/em> Symantec products installed on any of my systems. I use <a href=\"http:\/\/www.nod32.com\/\" title=\"View site\">NOD32<\/a> for Windows, and <em>no<\/em> AV software in my Powerbook.<\/p>","protected":false},"excerpt":{"rendered":"<p>Slashdot has posted information on a cancelled contest of writing a Mac OSX virus to put to rest the recent debate of OS X being no more secure than Windows. Now is it just me, or do I feel that people are just too damn defensive of OS X? I mean I love it. I&#8217;m &hellip; <p class=\"link-more\"><a href=\"http:\/\/nargalzius.com\/blog\/archives\/2005\/03\/27\/fanboys-unite\" class=\"more-link\">Continue reading<span class=\"screen-reader-text\"> &#8220;Fanboys, unite!&#8221;<\/span><\/a><\/p><\/p>","protected":false},"author":1,"featured_media":0,"comment_status":"open","ping_status":"closed","sticky":false,"template":"","format":"standard","meta":{"jetpack_post_was_ever_published":false,"_jetpack_newsletter_access":"","_jetpack_dont_email_post_to_subs":false,"_jetpack_newsletter_tier_id":0,"_jetpack_memberships_contains_paywalled_content":false,"_jetpack_memberships_contains_paid_content":false,"footnotes":"","jetpack_publicize_message":"","jetpack_publicize_feature_enabled":true,"jetpack_social_post_already_shared":false,"jetpack_social_options":{"image_generator_settings":{"template":"highway","enabled":false},"version":2}},"categories":[5,13],"tags":[96,770,860,1139,1259],"class_list":["post-258","post","type-post","status-publish","format-standard","hentry","category-internet","category-technology","tag-apple","tag-microsoft","tag-os-x","tag-symantec","tag-virus"],"jetpack_publicize_connections":[],"jetpack_featured_media_url":"","jetpack_sharing_enabled":true,"jetpack-related-posts":[],"_links":{"self":[{"href":"http:\/\/nargalzius.com\/blog\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/posts\/258","targetHints":{"allow":["GET"]}}],"collection":[{"href":"http:\/\/nargalzius.com\/blog\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/posts"}],"about":[{"href":"http:\/\/nargalzius.com\/blog\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/types\/post"}],"author":[{"embeddable":true,"href":"http:\/\/nargalzius.com\/blog\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/users\/1"}],"replies":[{"embeddable":true,"href":"http:\/\/nargalzius.com\/blog\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/comments?post=258"}],"version-history":[{"count":0,"href":"http:\/\/nargalzius.com\/blog\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/posts\/258\/revisions"}],"wp:attachment":[{"href":"http:\/\/nargalzius.com\/blog\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/media?parent=258"}],"wp:term":[{"taxonomy":"category","embeddable":true,"href":"http:\/\/nargalzius.com\/blog\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/categories?post=258"},{"taxonomy":"post_tag","embeddable":true,"href":"http:\/\/nargalzius.com\/blog\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/tags?post=258"}],"curies":[{"name":"wp","href":"https:\/\/api.w.org\/{rel}","templated":true}]}}