{"id":207,"date":"2005-01-27T00:01:11","date_gmt":"2005-01-26T16:01:11","guid":{"rendered":"http:\/\/www.nargalzius.com\/blog2\/http:\/www.nargalzius.com\/blog2\/archives\/2005\/01\/2005_01_27_0001.php"},"modified":"2005-01-27T00:01:11","modified_gmt":"2005-01-26T16:01:11","slug":"the-tower-of-babel","status":"publish","type":"post","link":"http:\/\/nargalzius.com\/blog\/archives\/2005\/01\/27\/the-tower-of-babel","title":{"rendered":"The Tower of Babel"},"content":{"rendered":"<p>Everyone knows the story about <a href=\"http:\/\/en.wikipedia.org\/wiki\/Tower_of_Babel\" title=\"What are you talking about?\">The Tower of Babel<\/a> right?<\/p>\n<p>We all know about the lessons to be learned there &#8211; its listed in the Wiki too if ever you don&#8217;t know what lessons are to be learned. I recall the story however, not just because I was watching some anime that pertained to it, but I suddenly realized something really off-tangent.<\/p>\n<!--more-->\n<p>Remember how people argue if there is a God, or at the very least <em>what type<\/em> of higher being are we dealing with&#8230; or how He\/She\/It deals with us for that matter.<\/p>\n<p>I remembered one of the most prominent arguments of any soul who has lost the faith: <em>Why doesn&#8217;t God do anything about the evil in the world?<\/em> Some people would even argue the absence of such a supreme, omni-benevolent being because of these facts of life. But let&#8217;s not complicate the issue &#8211; hell, we still don&#8217;t know [beyond the shadow of a doubt of course] which side is right up to this point&#8230; ain&#8217;t life fun?<\/p>\n<p>We&#8217;ve all heard the different answers one can use on that line. And the Catholic stance is somewhat to the effect of <em>&#8220;He can, but because of His love for us, He respects the free will He has given us.&#8221;<\/em> They extend the argument and say that the evil is caused by people.<\/p>\n<p>Obviously the people have caused this, this isn&#8217;t what the whole Babel thing raised for me &#8211; The whole <em>not interfering with free-will<\/em> however, is certainly being challenged by the whole <em>Babel<\/em> story.<\/p>\n<p>To my understanding, the people had a selfish motive of making a name for themselves&#8230; greedy ambition if you will. And God, intervened obviously. Now, what makes this whole thing tricky is that no matter how I assess this action, it seems to be a[nother] double edged sword for Catholic doctrine.<\/p>\n<p>On the one hand, if you take greedy ambition as evil, then God&#8217;s judgment would certainly be justified&#8230; but that would vindicate the argument, or the doubt of people <em>demanding<\/em> His intercession during <em>really<\/em> evil times.<\/p>\n<p>The people were greedy, selfish, and ambitious &#8211; granted. Is that &#8220;evil&#8221; anywhere near the same level of the greedy ambition political powers have? The same ambitions that start world wars? I&#8217;d say the latter is <strong>FAR MORE EVIL&#8230;<\/strong> so why doesn&#8217;t God intercede then? It really seems unfair to deal that degree of punishment to a bunch of people who wanted to be famous &#8211; an fail to at the very least <em>prevent<\/em> global catastrophe, by nations which want to <em>kill people.<\/em><\/p>\n<p>I always have taken the Bible as a symbolic guide, never to be taken literally as <em>historical fact.<\/em> Other sects or religions I&#8217;m afraid, do. But that&#8217;s beside the point. My point is wether literally or symbolically, I cannot seem to come to terms with the fact that God &#8220;mediated&#8221; in an trivial evil, and not in atrocious crimes.<\/p>\n<p>Oh well, this discussion was never meant to be answered, and I still believe in God. My only pet peeve with religions in general is that because they are man-made, it seems sort of arrogant to assume you (man) understand that which you do not understand (God)&#8230; and try to shove those very same, flawed, doctrines down everyone&#8217;s throat.<\/p>\n<p>I really liked what the movie <em>Dogma<\/em> stated: <strong>It&#8217;s the concept that counts.<\/strong><\/p>\n<p>Why or how do you think the <em>golden rule<\/em> (treat others as you want them to treat you) can be found in <strong>any<\/strong> religion? Because they are all derived from the same concept of respect. You don&#8217;t need a specific structure of religion to teach you <em>that.<\/em><\/p>\n<p>That&#8217;s my major beef on structured religion&#8230; especially Catholicism, where they have a whole bunch of concepts that contradict each other: <em>Fully God, yet also fully man. Virgin birth. Three beings, but also one.<\/em><\/p>\n<p>The last one actually really is interesting&#8230; so during Christ&#8217;s passion, Jesus was just talking out loud&#8230; to himself (and suddenly I&#8217;m reminded of Gollum). But no, church teachings will tell you that there are three separate beings in the Trinity. Ok fine&#8230; but it doesn&#8217;t stop there &#8211; Jesus and the Father are one. <strong><em>CHOOSE ALREADY WILL YOU!?<\/em><\/strong> I think its unfair to have all these doctrines only to have a bunch of exceptions to the rule for convenience &#8211; which confuse the people even more!<\/p>\n<p>Actually that nuance doesn&#8217;t really concern me&#8230; at the end of the day, I know that the church, or any religion for that matter, are just attempting to encapsulate what they <em>think<\/em> God is, and what they <em>think<\/em> God is trying to say (if God is attempting to say anything at all). And they will forever be &#8220;interpretations of a human mind.&#8221;<\/p>\n<p>That doesn&#8217;t mean there is no truth in these &#8220;interpretations,&#8221; I mean to a certain extent, the whole <em>&#8220;what you hold bound on earth, will be held bound in heaven&#8221;<\/em> makes perfect sense. I mean if I were some higher being, then I wouldn&#8217;t blame the world for acting the way it does if they <em>thought<\/em> that&#8217;s how they should&#8217;ve been acting.<\/p>\n<p>That also means however, that you <em>can<\/em> doubt some teachings. People would never doubt the <em>golden rule<\/em> obviously, but they surely can start questioning the church when they see people being burnt at the stake simply because they don&#8217;t agree with them.<\/p>\n<p>With that in mind, I for one, am certainly not buying the whole product called &#8220;Structured Religion&#8221; hook, line, and sinker.<\/p>\n<center>\n**It&#8217;s the concept that counts!**\n<a href=\"http:\/\/www.flickr.com\/photos\/nargalzius\/180357009\" target=\"_blank\" title=\"You may click on the image for more details in Flickr\"><img decoding=\"async\" alt=\"\" src=\"http:\/\/static.flickr.com\/51\/180357009_632dcbcf1e_m.jpg\"><\/a>\n<\/center>","protected":false},"excerpt":{"rendered":"<p>Everyone knows the story about The Tower of Babel right? We all know about the lessons to be learned there &#8211; its listed in the Wiki too if ever you don&#8217;t know what lessons are to be learned. I recall the story however, not just because I was watching some anime that pertained to it, &hellip; <p class=\"link-more\"><a href=\"http:\/\/nargalzius.com\/blog\/archives\/2005\/01\/27\/the-tower-of-babel\" class=\"more-link\">Continue reading<span class=\"screen-reader-text\"> &#8220;The Tower of Babel&#8221;<\/span><\/a><\/p><\/p>","protected":false},"author":1,"featured_media":0,"comment_status":"open","ping_status":"closed","sticky":false,"template":"","format":"standard","meta":{"jetpack_post_was_ever_published":false,"_jetpack_newsletter_access":"","_jetpack_dont_email_post_to_subs":false,"_jetpack_newsletter_tier_id":0,"_jetpack_memberships_contains_paywalled_content":false,"_jetpack_memberships_contains_paid_content":false,"footnotes":"","jetpack_publicize_message":"","jetpack_publicize_feature_enabled":true,"jetpack_social_post_already_shared":false,"jetpack_social_options":{"image_generator_settings":{"template":"highway","enabled":false},"version":2}},"categories":[4],"tags":[1004,1196],"class_list":["post-207","post","type-post","status-publish","format-standard","hentry","category-general","tag-religion","tag-tower-of-babel"],"jetpack_publicize_connections":[],"jetpack_featured_media_url":"","jetpack_sharing_enabled":true,"jetpack-related-posts":[],"_links":{"self":[{"href":"http:\/\/nargalzius.com\/blog\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/posts\/207","targetHints":{"allow":["GET"]}}],"collection":[{"href":"http:\/\/nargalzius.com\/blog\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/posts"}],"about":[{"href":"http:\/\/nargalzius.com\/blog\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/types\/post"}],"author":[{"embeddable":true,"href":"http:\/\/nargalzius.com\/blog\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/users\/1"}],"replies":[{"embeddable":true,"href":"http:\/\/nargalzius.com\/blog\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/comments?post=207"}],"version-history":[{"count":0,"href":"http:\/\/nargalzius.com\/blog\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/posts\/207\/revisions"}],"wp:attachment":[{"href":"http:\/\/nargalzius.com\/blog\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/media?parent=207"}],"wp:term":[{"taxonomy":"category","embeddable":true,"href":"http:\/\/nargalzius.com\/blog\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/categories?post=207"},{"taxonomy":"post_tag","embeddable":true,"href":"http:\/\/nargalzius.com\/blog\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/tags?post=207"}],"curies":[{"name":"wp","href":"https:\/\/api.w.org\/{rel}","templated":true}]}}