{"id":1017,"date":"2010-04-02T14:21:40","date_gmt":"2010-04-02T06:21:40","guid":{"rendered":"http:\/\/www.nargalzius.com\/blog\/archives\/2010\/04\/02\/the-heirarchy-of-realistic-significance\/"},"modified":"2010-04-02T14:21:40","modified_gmt":"2010-04-02T06:21:40","slug":"the-heirarchy-of-realistic-significance","status":"publish","type":"post","link":"http:\/\/nargalzius.com\/blog\/archives\/2010\/04\/02\/the-heirarchy-of-realistic-significance","title":{"rendered":"The Heirarchy of Realistic Significance"},"content":{"rendered":"<p>Roy posed this question in a comment on <a href=\"http:\/\/www.nargalzius.com\/blog\/archives\/2010\/03\/31\/dogma\">my previous post<\/a> which I forgot to address in my response. <\/p>\n<blockquote>\n<p>&#8230;but what makes a relationship &#8220;real?&#8221; Or at least, what makes it more &#8220;real&#8221; than faith? Is it simply the physical presence? What about our relationships with loved ones who have passed on?<\/p>\n<\/blockquote>\n<p>I think the question would be worth making a new entry for &#8211; as it&#8217;s a perfect opportunity to expound on what I&#8217;ve <a href=\"http:\/\/www.nargalzius.com\/blog\/archives\/2008\/10\/01\/why-do-people-believe-in-god\">touched on before<\/a>.<\/p>\n<p>And I apologize in advance; because I will be forced to use a shit-ton of quotation marks here &#8211; because I have a sinking feeling I&#8217;m going to regret this particular topic of debate with a bonafide Philosophy <strong>teacher,<\/strong> and I will admit right off the bat that as far as verbal\/written articulation is concerned, I&#8217;m probably going to look like an idiot &#8211; but I&#8217;ll try anyways \ud83d\ude42<!--more--><!-- \/\/ --><\/p>\n<h1>Recap<\/h1>\n<p>The thing that led Roy to ask this question was when I stressed the importance of real <em>empirical<\/em> human relationships <em>over<\/em> relationships that are simply based on faith.<\/p>\n<p>The general claim was that I [personally] put more value in human effort rather than human &#8220;beliefs.&#8221; That is to say, I &#8220;judge&#8221; a person&#8217;s worth based on what they <em>do<\/em> &#8211; not necessarily the beliefs they hold. And the reason is because in context of a limited world view, I don&#8217;t believe that there is always <em>one<\/em> answer (that admits of no exceptions) to every issue &#8211; something which the tenets of a &#8220;belief system&#8221; <span class=\"footnote_referrer\"><a role=\"button\" tabindex=\"0\" onclick=\"footnote_moveToReference_1017_1('footnote_plugin_reference_1017_1_1');\" onkeypress=\"footnote_moveToReference_1017_1('footnote_plugin_reference_1017_1_1');\" ><sup id=\"footnote_plugin_tooltip_1017_1_1\" class=\"footnote_plugin_tooltip_text\">1 <\/sup><\/a><span id=\"footnote_plugin_tooltip_text_1017_1_1\" class=\"footnote_tooltip\">Which relies on ultimate, authoritative, and absolute truths<\/span><\/span><script type=\"text\/javascript\"> jQuery('#footnote_plugin_tooltip_1017_1_1').tooltip({ tip: '#footnote_plugin_tooltip_text_1017_1_1', tipClass: 'footnote_tooltip', effect: 'fade', predelay: 0, fadeInSpeed: 200, delay: 400, fadeOutSpeed: 200, position: 'top right', relative: true, offset: [10, 10], });<\/script> tend to be by their very nature.<\/p>\n<p>It&#8217;s sometimes tragic how people are convinced that the complexities of life and relationships can be distilled to something so simple, that you can just apply some &#8220;rule&#8221; without exceptions and that would be the end of it. This is even more tragic when they cause others (bonus points if those people care about them) to suffer because of actions\/decisions made in that context.<\/p>\n<p>It&#8217;s one thing to admit that we all have a limited world view, but another thing to not even try as hard as we can to look beyond this limit. <span class=\"footnote_referrer\"><a role=\"button\" tabindex=\"0\" onclick=\"footnote_moveToReference_1017_1('footnote_plugin_reference_1017_1_2');\" onkeypress=\"footnote_moveToReference_1017_1('footnote_plugin_reference_1017_1_2');\" ><sup id=\"footnote_plugin_tooltip_1017_1_2\" class=\"footnote_plugin_tooltip_text\">2 <\/sup><\/a><span id=\"footnote_plugin_tooltip_text_1017_1_2\" class=\"footnote_tooltip\">No matter how futile it may be, as we will <em>never<\/em> understand everything completely<\/span><\/span><script type=\"text\/javascript\"> jQuery('#footnote_plugin_tooltip_1017_1_2').tooltip({ tip: '#footnote_plugin_tooltip_text_1017_1_2', tipClass: 'footnote_tooltip', effect: 'fade', predelay: 0, fadeInSpeed: 200, delay: 400, fadeOutSpeed: 200, position: 'top right', relative: true, offset: [10, 10], });<\/script> How people could one simply say <em>&#8220;thou shall not kill&#8221;<\/em> in context of the complexities surrounding issues such as <a href=\"http:\/\/www.nargalzius.com\/blog\/archives\/2005\/03\/26\/what-i-think-about-the-schiavo-case\">euthanasia,<\/a> or abortion? How could one can talk about the 7 deadly sins, yet fail to realize that we <em>are<\/em> sexual beings as well (and it&#8217;s importance to our species&#8217; survival)? How dogma has managed to vilify something natural to humans (instincts, urges), as something seemingly so despicable and corrupted (original sin).<\/p>\n<h1>Addressing the Question<\/h1>\n<p>The thing about relationships being &#8220;more real&#8221; than faith is extremely difficult to answer given our limited world view. In fact, I do not even contest the &#8220;reality&#8221; of faith in and of itself. The act of believing is certainly a real, conscious decision [or action]. <span class=\"footnote_referrer\"><a role=\"button\" tabindex=\"0\" onclick=\"footnote_moveToReference_1017_1('footnote_plugin_reference_1017_1_3');\" onkeypress=\"footnote_moveToReference_1017_1('footnote_plugin_reference_1017_1_3');\" ><sup id=\"footnote_plugin_tooltip_1017_1_3\" class=\"footnote_plugin_tooltip_text\">3 <\/sup><\/a><span id=\"footnote_plugin_tooltip_text_1017_1_3\" class=\"footnote_tooltip\">It&#8217;s worth pointing out that having said that, it seems that even faith <em>technically<\/em> falls under the scope of conscious human effort. Which ironically, reduces its place in the &#8220;heirarchy of realistic significance&#8221; in a sense. But whatever; lets run with it anyway &#8211; for the sake of an engaged discussion.<\/span><\/span><script type=\"text\/javascript\"> jQuery('#footnote_plugin_tooltip_1017_1_3').tooltip({ tip: '#footnote_plugin_tooltip_text_1017_1_3', tipClass: 'footnote_tooltip', effect: 'fade', predelay: 0, fadeInSpeed: 200, delay: 400, fadeOutSpeed: 200, position: 'top right', relative: true, offset: [10, 10], });<\/script> The issue is more of believing in something that ultimately <em>might<\/em> be <strong>untrue.<\/strong> Emotional benefits aside, faith by its definition implies the belief of something to be real (without proof) &#8211; but it says nothing about the thing being &#8220;believed in&#8221; to actually <em>be<\/em> real.<\/p>\n<p>While both relationships <em>and<\/em> [the act of faith] <em>are<\/em> &#8220;real,&#8221; the &#8220;things&#8221; these two &#8220;states of action&#8221; are evaluating are quite different. The former, IMHO, is already &#8220;complete&#8221; proof\/evaluation of itself &#8211; while the latter, while similarly &#8220;existing,&#8221; in a sense, requires &#8220;more&#8221; to actually mean anything. Simply put, the latter has to &#8220;assume&#8221; something to make an experience [in its context] &#8220;palpable&#8221; <span class=\"footnote_referrer\"><a role=\"button\" tabindex=\"0\" onclick=\"footnote_moveToReference_1017_1('footnote_plugin_reference_1017_1_4');\" onkeypress=\"footnote_moveToReference_1017_1('footnote_plugin_reference_1017_1_4');\" ><sup id=\"footnote_plugin_tooltip_1017_1_4\" class=\"footnote_plugin_tooltip_text\">4 <\/sup><\/a><span id=\"footnote_plugin_tooltip_text_1017_1_4\" class=\"footnote_tooltip\">Take note of the quotes<\/span><\/span><script type=\"text\/javascript\"> jQuery('#footnote_plugin_tooltip_1017_1_4').tooltip({ tip: '#footnote_plugin_tooltip_text_1017_1_4', tipClass: 'footnote_tooltip', effect: 'fade', predelay: 0, fadeInSpeed: 200, delay: 400, fadeOutSpeed: 200, position: 'top right', relative: true, offset: [10, 10], });<\/script> &#8230; while the former <strong>already is<\/strong> a palpable <span class=\"footnote_referrer\"><a role=\"button\" tabindex=\"0\" onclick=\"footnote_moveToReference_1017_1('footnote_plugin_reference_1017_1_5');\" onkeypress=\"footnote_moveToReference_1017_1('footnote_plugin_reference_1017_1_5');\" ><sup id=\"footnote_plugin_tooltip_1017_1_5\" class=\"footnote_plugin_tooltip_text\">5 <\/sup><\/a><span id=\"footnote_plugin_tooltip_text_1017_1_5\" class=\"footnote_tooltip\">take note of the lack of quotes<\/span><\/span><script type=\"text\/javascript\"> jQuery('#footnote_plugin_tooltip_1017_1_5').tooltip({ tip: '#footnote_plugin_tooltip_text_1017_1_5', tipClass: 'footnote_tooltip', effect: 'fade', predelay: 0, fadeInSpeed: 200, delay: 400, fadeOutSpeed: 200, position: 'top right', relative: true, offset: [10, 10], });<\/script> experience &#8211; whether or not we assume <em>anything.<\/em><\/p>\n<p>So I can have faith in a friend that says they&#8217;ll never betray me&#8230; until they do (and life has so many examples of that) So in that extremely common example, the existence of faith doesn&#8217;t necessarily justify the existence of what is being purported to be true (the friend&#8217;s loyalty) &#8211; the friend is still free to go either way; we have no power over that. Whether they vindicate <em>or<\/em> shatter that faith we put in them is entirely up to them. But there is no doubt that the <em>relationship<\/em> we have with that person is very real. Their ability to betray us can and will [inescapably] change the dynamic of the relationship &#8211; how much &#8220;more real&#8221; can you get than that?<\/p>\n<p>Human effort and action have the power to make clear the authenticity of that which is being evaluated (the relationship) beyond any doubt. Our ability to respond or act is very much palpable, and even <em>testable<\/em> &#8211; and its precisely <em>that<\/em> ability to respond\/act that makes it more valuable for me &#8211; so naturally I would far more prefer to apply that in the context of something similarly tangible; like an actual relationship between people &#8211; rather than acting based on some &#8220;unseen\/unproven&#8221; force.<\/p>\n<p>So, all things considered, my [current] stance is that <strong>yes,<\/strong> the physical presence <em>does<\/em> make relationships between people &#8220;more real&#8221; than faith (or relationships based on it). I don&#8217;t see why it&#8217;s unreasonable assume such; the fact that human relationships are present in the empirical domain should <em>at the very least,<\/em> put it above faith as far as the &#8220;hierarchy of realistic significance&#8221; goes.<\/p>\n<p>Even Roy&#8217;s stipulation of relationships with loved ones who have passed on is no exception; those people <em>were<\/em> real. Whether their existence in our memories after they had &#8220;expired&#8221; constitute the type of &#8220;reality&#8221; were talking about is anyone&#8217;s guess. But they, at the very least, <em>were<\/em> tangibly real &#8211; and your relationships with them were, likewise, palpably real. That&#8217;s why losing them is most of the time, a painful experience, because there was a tangible thing that was <strong>lost.<\/strong><\/p>\n<p>Even an absentee father who has passed on <strong>did<\/strong> have a &#8220;tangible&#8221; relationship his child, albeit a lousy one. His actions of <em>not being there for the child<\/em> &#8211; and the child&#8217;s reaction of that fact (whether it be of understanding, forgiveness, or resentment\/hatred) &#8211; are all tangible enough to [inescapably] influence the course of that relationship between each other. So regardless if the relationship was a &#8220;good&#8221; or &#8220;bad&#8221; one it still <em>is<\/em> (or was) one.<\/p>\n<h1>On a Personal Note<\/h1>\n<p>The reason why I put so much emphasis in real human relationships over dogma is because of real world implications both approaches can accomplish; our actions <em>can<\/em> affect relationships for better or worse. Having said that, my opinion is that it&#8217;s much better (and safer!) to <a href=\"http:\/\/farm5.static.flickr.com\/4004\/4479442777_62fbec6693_o.jpg\">attribute something fortunate\/unfortunate to an actual legitimate cause.<\/a> &#8211; because in the case of the <em>unfortunate<\/em> events, there&#8217;s <strong>accountability.<\/strong> This is of course all in context of human effort\/decisions\/actions.<\/p>\n<p>Realistically and practically speaking, having accountability is a very good thing &#8211; because any &#8220;effect&#8221; can be clearly traced to its source; and in the event of an unfortunate event\/disagreement, finding a clear source of contention allows us to <em>immediately<\/em> address and resolve an issue &#8211; all that&#8217;s required is that the parties involved take the time and <em>effort<\/em> to do so.<\/p>\n<p>This is where decisions based on faith\/dogma usually fail. When people decide based on faith, and [unfortunately] end up being agents of suffering, <span class=\"footnote_referrer\"><a role=\"button\" tabindex=\"0\" onclick=\"footnote_moveToReference_1017_1('footnote_plugin_reference_1017_1_6');\" onkeypress=\"footnote_moveToReference_1017_1('footnote_plugin_reference_1017_1_6');\" ><sup id=\"footnote_plugin_tooltip_1017_1_6\" class=\"footnote_plugin_tooltip_text\">6 <\/sup><\/a><span id=\"footnote_plugin_tooltip_text_1017_1_6\" class=\"footnote_tooltip\">Because when things go well, no one will bother to question why you decided the way you did<\/span><\/span><script type=\"text\/javascript\"> jQuery('#footnote_plugin_tooltip_1017_1_6').tooltip({ tip: '#footnote_plugin_tooltip_text_1017_1_6', tipClass: 'footnote_tooltip', effect: 'fade', predelay: 0, fadeInSpeed: 200, delay: 400, fadeOutSpeed: 200, position: 'top right', relative: true, offset: [10, 10], });<\/script> instead of taking responsibility for their actions, they try to justify themselves based on dogma, they &#8220;cop out&#8221; essentially &#8211; they feel no accountability for their actions because they have the convenience of pointing to some unseen &#8220;force&#8221; as a justification. And when it boils down to opposing parties trying to have a reasonable dialog &#8211; how can one possibly have a reasonable discussion when the other is being&#8230; quite literally, <strong>unreasonable.<\/strong><\/p>\n<p>In that context, they fail (or refuse) to realize that as humans, we have the power to inject change in <em>any<\/em> of our relationships with the world for as long as we live and are capable of action. All the absentee father needed to do was <strong>show up,<\/strong> and things would&#8217;ve probably been <em>very<\/em> different (in a &#8220;good&#8221; way). An open mind admits of exceptions; that everything isn&#8217;t static &#8211; that conditions, people, events, situations change &#8211; and that nothing is absolute\/final. Whereas Religion, like Roy said, tends to have <strong>a limited world view; but with ultimate and exclusive claims.<\/strong><\/p>\n<p>In my opinion, there should be no clear-cut &#8220;reference&#8221; one should use when dealing with relationships. Rather than relying on dogma, constantly evaluating and (re-evaluating) situations based on their context is a far more effective means of moving in this domain. The allowance of &#8220;exceptions&#8221; makes it possible for individuals to both achieve personal fulfillment (of being who they are without the fear of being judged), <em>and<\/em> keep their relationships with the world [and its inhabitants] &#8220;unruffled.&#8221; I mean even a person such as I would rather <strong>not<\/strong> &#8220;rock the boat&#8221; if I could help it &#8211; but at the same time, there are things I would like to do that normally would require challenging the &#8220;norm.&#8221; Being able to decide on a case-to-case basis allows for an optimal (and possibly balanced) course of action that achieves that &#8220;middle-ground&#8221; &#8211; what I like to call <strong>indulging responsibly.<\/strong> <span class=\"footnote_referrer\"><a role=\"button\" tabindex=\"0\" onclick=\"footnote_moveToReference_1017_1('footnote_plugin_reference_1017_1_7');\" onkeypress=\"footnote_moveToReference_1017_1('footnote_plugin_reference_1017_1_7');\" ><sup id=\"footnote_plugin_tooltip_1017_1_7\" class=\"footnote_plugin_tooltip_text\">7 <\/sup><\/a><span id=\"footnote_plugin_tooltip_text_1017_1_7\" class=\"footnote_tooltip\">Hows that for a clever contradiction of terms<\/span><\/span><script type=\"text\/javascript\"> jQuery('#footnote_plugin_tooltip_1017_1_7').tooltip({ tip: '#footnote_plugin_tooltip_text_1017_1_7', tipClass: 'footnote_tooltip', effect: 'fade', predelay: 0, fadeInSpeed: 200, delay: 400, fadeOutSpeed: 200, position: 'top right', relative: true, offset: [10, 10], });<\/script><\/p>\n<p>Simply put, what&#8217;s &#8220;right&#8221; or &#8220;wrong,&#8221; or what&#8217;s &#8220;good&#8221; or &#8220;bad&#8221; would depend on the situation; after factoring all the other elements affecting it. I believe any decision a person makes will have it&#8217;s share of both positive and negative implications &#8211; and it&#8217;s a matter of deciding which course is &#8220;better&#8221; for you and the relationship. However, there is one clear thing that is present in this case; that no matter what you decide, there is accountability. You should be fully aware and informed when you make decisions &#8211; because, as I said every decision will have its share of positive and negative implications. <\/p>\n<p><em>That&#8217;s<\/em> why I consider human relationships, by virtue of their empirical reality, as &#8220;more real&#8221; than those based on assumptions (faith). And <em>that&#8217;s<\/em> why I value a person willing to prove their worth through actions&#8230; because talk is cheap \ud83d\ude42 Actions speak louder than words. <\/p>\n<p>Having said that, it constantly frustrates me that most people insist in letting something &#8220;less certain&#8221; (the things we <em>assume<\/em> to be true) override the value of something that&#8217;s already established to be <strong>more<\/strong> certain (the people and relationships right in front of us). It just boggles my mind.<\/p>\n<h1>Quick last point<\/h1>\n<p>Let me be clear on what I&#8217;m <strong>NOT<\/strong> saying. I&#8217;m <em>not<\/em> saying that just because I consider our relationships as &#8220;more real&#8221; than faith, that I&#8217;m implying the latter is not real at all. Like I said, both are real&#8230; but the question posed was what was &#8220;more real&#8221; &#8211; or what should be treated with more respect as far as living in our domain or reality goes. And that has always been pretty clear to me &#8211; I value what <em>is<\/em> real over what <em>might<\/em> be real.<\/p><div class=\"speaker-mute footnotes_reference_container\"> <div class=\"footnote_container_prepare\"><p><span role=\"button\" tabindex=\"0\" class=\"footnote_reference_container_label pointer\" onclick=\"footnote_expand_collapse_reference_container_1017_1();\">Notes<\/span><span role=\"button\" tabindex=\"0\" class=\"footnote_reference_container_collapse_button\" style=\"display: none;\" onclick=\"footnote_expand_collapse_reference_container_1017_1();\">[<a id=\"footnote_reference_container_collapse_button_1017_1\">+<\/a>]<\/span><\/p><\/div> <div id=\"footnote_references_container_1017_1\" style=\"\"><table class=\"footnotes_table footnote-reference-container\"><caption class=\"accessibility\">Notes<\/caption> <tbody> \r\n\r\n<tr class=\"footnotes_plugin_reference_row\"> <th scope=\"row\" class=\"footnote_plugin_index_combi pointer\"  onclick=\"footnote_moveToAnchor_1017_1('footnote_plugin_tooltip_1017_1_1');\"><a id=\"footnote_plugin_reference_1017_1_1\" class=\"footnote_backlink\"><span class=\"footnote_index_arrow\">&#8673;<\/span>1<\/a><\/th> <td class=\"footnote_plugin_text\">Which relies on ultimate, authoritative, and absolute truths<\/td><\/tr>\r\n\r\n<tr class=\"footnotes_plugin_reference_row\"> <th scope=\"row\" class=\"footnote_plugin_index_combi pointer\"  onclick=\"footnote_moveToAnchor_1017_1('footnote_plugin_tooltip_1017_1_2');\"><a id=\"footnote_plugin_reference_1017_1_2\" class=\"footnote_backlink\"><span class=\"footnote_index_arrow\">&#8673;<\/span>2<\/a><\/th> <td class=\"footnote_plugin_text\">No matter how futile it may be, as we will <em>never<\/em> understand everything completely<\/td><\/tr>\r\n\r\n<tr class=\"footnotes_plugin_reference_row\"> <th scope=\"row\" class=\"footnote_plugin_index_combi pointer\"  onclick=\"footnote_moveToAnchor_1017_1('footnote_plugin_tooltip_1017_1_3');\"><a id=\"footnote_plugin_reference_1017_1_3\" class=\"footnote_backlink\"><span class=\"footnote_index_arrow\">&#8673;<\/span>3<\/a><\/th> <td class=\"footnote_plugin_text\">It&#8217;s worth pointing out that having said that, it seems that even faith <em>technically<\/em> falls under the scope of conscious human effort. Which ironically, reduces its place in the &#8220;heirarchy of realistic significance&#8221; in a sense. But whatever; lets run with it anyway &#8211; for the sake of an engaged discussion.<\/td><\/tr>\r\n\r\n<tr class=\"footnotes_plugin_reference_row\"> <th scope=\"row\" class=\"footnote_plugin_index_combi pointer\"  onclick=\"footnote_moveToAnchor_1017_1('footnote_plugin_tooltip_1017_1_4');\"><a id=\"footnote_plugin_reference_1017_1_4\" class=\"footnote_backlink\"><span class=\"footnote_index_arrow\">&#8673;<\/span>4<\/a><\/th> <td class=\"footnote_plugin_text\">Take note of the quotes<\/td><\/tr>\r\n\r\n<tr class=\"footnotes_plugin_reference_row\"> <th scope=\"row\" class=\"footnote_plugin_index_combi pointer\"  onclick=\"footnote_moveToAnchor_1017_1('footnote_plugin_tooltip_1017_1_5');\"><a id=\"footnote_plugin_reference_1017_1_5\" class=\"footnote_backlink\"><span class=\"footnote_index_arrow\">&#8673;<\/span>5<\/a><\/th> <td class=\"footnote_plugin_text\">take note of the lack of quotes<\/td><\/tr>\r\n\r\n<tr class=\"footnotes_plugin_reference_row\"> <th scope=\"row\" class=\"footnote_plugin_index_combi pointer\"  onclick=\"footnote_moveToAnchor_1017_1('footnote_plugin_tooltip_1017_1_6');\"><a id=\"footnote_plugin_reference_1017_1_6\" class=\"footnote_backlink\"><span class=\"footnote_index_arrow\">&#8673;<\/span>6<\/a><\/th> <td class=\"footnote_plugin_text\">Because when things go well, no one will bother to question why you decided the way you did<\/td><\/tr>\r\n\r\n<tr class=\"footnotes_plugin_reference_row\"> <th scope=\"row\" class=\"footnote_plugin_index_combi pointer\"  onclick=\"footnote_moveToAnchor_1017_1('footnote_plugin_tooltip_1017_1_7');\"><a id=\"footnote_plugin_reference_1017_1_7\" class=\"footnote_backlink\"><span class=\"footnote_index_arrow\">&#8673;<\/span>7<\/a><\/th> <td class=\"footnote_plugin_text\">Hows that for a clever contradiction of terms<\/td><\/tr>\r\n\r\n <\/tbody> <\/table> <\/div><\/div><script type=\"text\/javascript\"> function footnote_expand_reference_container_1017_1() { jQuery('#footnote_references_container_1017_1').show(); jQuery('#footnote_reference_container_collapse_button_1017_1').text('\u2212'); } function footnote_collapse_reference_container_1017_1() { jQuery('#footnote_references_container_1017_1').hide(); jQuery('#footnote_reference_container_collapse_button_1017_1').text('+'); } function footnote_expand_collapse_reference_container_1017_1() { if (jQuery('#footnote_references_container_1017_1').is(':hidden')) { footnote_expand_reference_container_1017_1(); } else { footnote_collapse_reference_container_1017_1(); } } function footnote_moveToReference_1017_1(p_str_TargetID) { footnote_expand_reference_container_1017_1(); var l_obj_Target = jQuery('#' + p_str_TargetID); if (l_obj_Target.length) { jQuery( 'html, body' ).delay( 0 ); jQuery('html, body').animate({ scrollTop: l_obj_Target.offset().top - window.innerHeight * 0.2 }, 380); } } function footnote_moveToAnchor_1017_1(p_str_TargetID) { footnote_expand_reference_container_1017_1(); var l_obj_Target = jQuery('#' + p_str_TargetID); if (l_obj_Target.length) { jQuery( 'html, body' ).delay( 0 ); jQuery('html, body').animate({ scrollTop: l_obj_Target.offset().top - window.innerHeight * 0.2 }, 380); } }<\/script>","protected":false},"excerpt":{"rendered":"<p>Roy posed this question in a comment on my previous post which I forgot to address in my response. &#8230;but what makes a relationship &#8220;real?&#8221; Or at least, what makes it more &#8220;real&#8221; than faith? Is it simply the physical presence? What about our relationships with loved ones who have passed on? 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